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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: In Support of The Nuclear Power 2010 Initiative Reply with quote

The Bush Administration's Nuclear Power 2010 Initiative is in my opinion the most important element of its National Energy Policy, and the President deserves accolades for having the political courage to promote it.

Twenty-six years after the near-disastrous accident and partial meltdown at Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island nuclear power plant that released small amounts of radioactivity into the atmosphere, and two decades since the much more serious accident at Chernobyl, nuclear power remains an object of great public consternation and fear. Despite an otherwise flawless record for safety and reliability, no new nuclear power plant has been ordered in the United States since the Three Mile Island incident. In the former Soviet Union, reactor safety remains a concern among experts, where fifteen RBMK-1000 reactors of the type that failed at Chernobyl are still in service. The crude design that was employed used in those reactors dates back to the mid 1950s and was considered obsolete and unsafe by western standard even prior to the Chernobyl tragedy.

Existing US commercial reactors are based on technology that, while it is several decades old, is inherently much safer than the Chernobyl design. All operating US commercial power reactors are either of the pressurized water (PWR) or boiling water (BWR) designs. Because both PWR and BWR reactors are cooled and moderated with ordinary "light" water, the two designs can be grouped into the generic category of light water reactors (LWR). Aside from the way they produce heat, the energy recovery and electricity generating technology used in these designs is not very different than those used in conventional power plants that are fired by coal or natural gas. These plants currently generate about 20% of the electricity that is used in the US.

While the US commercial nuclear power industry has been slumbering, other countries continued to improve reactor designs and build new capacity. France, for example, has built 58 plants since the late 1970s and currently generates more than 78 percent of its electricity from nuclear power.

As I have written earlier, the nuclear power plant operators in the United States have, with the blessing of the NRC, been steadily increasing their generating capacity by stealth through the process of uprating. In many cases, the uprating has been done at the expense of the original safety factors that were built into the facility when it was constructed. I have received comments based on my earlier article to the effect that the uprated plants still operate within a margin of safety that is more than adequate, and that decades of experience in operating the plants has taught engineers more about what adequate safety margins really are. No doubt these comments have merit, but I still think it is preferable to invest in new plant capacity built with the most modern technology than to continue pushing the envelope uprating plants that are decades old. Which brings us back to the Nuclear Power 2010 Initiative.

According to the DOE, the Nuclear Power 2010 Initiative is focused on the development and deployment of a new generation of advanced light water reactor (ALWR) designs:

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The technology focus of the Nuclear Power 2010 program is on Generation III+ advanced light water reactor designs which offer advancements in safety and economics over the Generation III designs certified by NRC in the 1990’s. To enable the deployment of new Generation III+ nuclear power plants in the United States in the relatively near-term, it is essential to demonstrate the untested Federal regulatory and licensing processes for the siting, construction, and operation of new nuclear plants. The Department utilizes competitive procurement processes and conducts program activities in cost-share cooperation with industry to address such issues. The Department has initiated cooperative projects with industry to obtain NRC approval of three sites for construction of new nuclear power plants under the Early Site Permit (ESP) process, and to develop application preparation guidance for the combined Construction and Operating License (COL) and to resolve generic COL regulatory issues. The COL process is a “one-step” licensing process by which nuclear plant public health and safety concerns are resolved prior to commencement of construction, and NRC approves and issues a license to build and operate a new nuclear power plant.


The Bush Administration is also targeting regulatory and liability issues that have deterred utilities from proposing new nuclear plants for the past quarter century:

President Bush wrote:
To do so, I've asked the Department of Energy to work on changes to existing law that will reduce uncertainty in the nuclear plant licensing process, and also provide federal risk insurance that will protect those building the first four new nuclear plants against delays that are beyond their control. A secure energy future for America must include more nuclear power.


The reason that development of additional nuclear electricity generating capacity is so urgently needed in the United States relates most immediately to the natural gas supply crisis that has been developing on the North American continent the past several years. A secondary reason is that the United States is likely to be relying increasingly on electricity to power transportation, particularly personal transportation, within the next decade.

In the early 1980s, with the nuclear option off the table, the US Government with the support of environmental groups encouraged utilities to add additional generating capacity by building plants that were fueled by clean-burning natural gas, which was felt to be plentiful at the time. This time of plenty has ended, and by the summer of 2003 the natural gas pipeline system in North America came within a whisker of losing pressure. A decision was nearly made at the time to cut off supply to industrial users, in order that power generating plants and residential customers could continue to be supplied. Having seen the writing on the wall, a number of industrial natural gas users such as fertilizer manufacturers (most of the world is kept fed by fertilizers made from natural gas; we are literally relying on fossil fuels to feed ourselves) have since closed their North American operations. The President's National Energy Plan also anticipates a wholesale expansion of US facilities for receiving shipments of liquified natural gas (LNG), which must be obtained from generally the same countries that sell us oil, and for regasification of the LNG in order to maintain pressurization of the natural gas distribution pipeline. Clearly, natural gas is not the vehicle through which the United States is going to enhance its energy independence. As the DOE states:

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The Department believes that an over reliance on a single fuel source, like natural gas, is a potential vulnerability to the long-term security of our Nation’s energy supply and new nuclear plants must be built in the next decade to address increasing concerns over air quality and to ease the pressures on natural gas supply.


The long term future of personal transportation in the United States lies with hybrid automobiles, and more specifically with "plug-in" hybrids of the type that is being pioneered by the outstanding CalCars initiative program. A plug-in hybrid differs from a self-contained hybrid car such as the popular Toyota Prius in that its batteries are designed to be recharged either by a small internal combustion engine in the car (as the Prius does) or by plugging the vehicle into a conventional 110 volt (or 220 volt) home electrical socket. CalCars, by modifying an ordinary Prius by adding additional battery capacity and a plug-in cord has achieved fuel mileage of over 100mpg. For short commutes, such a car would use no fossil fuel at all, running entirely on battery power that is obtained from the grid. While replacing conventional automobiles with plug-in hybrids will require an enormous investment, I believe the process to do just that will be well advanced by 2015.

If I'm right, the US will cut its crude oil consumption considerably over the next decade, but at a cost of placing a much greater burden on the electrical generation and distribution network. Other energy needs currently being filled by fossil fuels, such as home heating, could also be forced onto the grid. There is no environmental-friendly way to meet this burden without adding significant nuclear generating capacity. I think it will happen, and I commend the administration's foresight in proposing it.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure I'm so gung-ho about nuclear power as you are yet, but it is something we should be devoting more thought to. There has been practically no innovation in the US nuclear industry because of the Chernobyl and Three Mile Island accidents. Furthermore, the demonization of nuclear energy by environmental groups has done nothing to help its public standing. For those interested in what the experts have to say about our nuclear future, read this comprehensive 2003 study by MIT, The Future of Nuclear Power.

I still see several key obstacles:
1. Nuclear energy does not make economic sense when compared to coal and natural gas. Of course this does not consider the natural security concerns involved with natural gas nor the carbon emissions from those sources.
2. Long-term sustainability of nuclear power is questionable. If the US were to switch over to once-through plants, there would need to be many more Yucca Mountain type sites. According to the MIT study, a new site of that size would have to be created every 3 to 4 years by 2050 if worldwide growth goes as they project. Additionally, uranium is a limited natural resource like oil, gas, or coal and will eventually become scarce if overused.
3. Safety concerns, while often overblown, are still a problem for nuclear plants. The MIT recommendation is to try to have "less than one serious release of radioactivity for 50 years from all fuel cycle activity". Not exactly the most comforting statement. But like anything in engineering, every plant has a probability of serious incident attached to it; the best we can do is try to make the probability as small as possible and hope for the best.


So, while I think it is wise to kick start some research in the area, I'm not sure it's the be-all-end-all of the US's energy problems. In the medium term it could mitigate some of the US's oil and gas supply problems as well as reduce carbon emissions. For the long term, it is still necessary that we pursue more sustainable technologies such as solar, which once economically viable, should be sustainable until the Sun dies in about 4 billion years.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is about the freaking time. Like it or not, nuclear technology is a good alternative because of the following items:

- we know how to generate it
- we know or aware of potential dangers
- we know how to store it

Many people do not like the fact that nuclear plants are dangerous and compare them to Chernobyl. Yeah, Chernobyl sucked ass. Take it from somebody whose uncle was one of the first people to come to the rescue. My family is paying for it right now in terms of poor health and the fact that my uncle is almost blind. However, this does not stop me from being an advocate of nuclear energy. Chernobyl could have been prevented. The disaster occured largely because of negligence and then Soviets tried to cover it up. With good measures, it should not be a problem.

Howerver, I am concerned about people trying to blow up nuclear plans intentionally. We need to fix the security issues first.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asearchforreason wrote:

1. Nuclear energy does not make economic sense when compared to coal and natural gas. Of course this does not consider the natural security concerns involved with natural gas nor the carbon emissions from those sources.


Comparative Measures of Power Plant Efficiency

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Nuclear power has the lowest production cost of the major sources of electricity, with production cost of 1.69 cents/kWh. Coal has a cost of 1.9 cents/kWh, natural gas 5.87 cents/kWh, and petroleum 5.39 cents/kWh. Hydro has a production cost of 0.5 cents/kWh, wind .2 cents/kWh and solar 2.48 cents/kWh.


Now this doesn't take into account the amortization of the original capital investment and the cost of liability insurance. However, existing nuclear plants, despite being decades old, have much higher uptimes and lower operating costs than conventional plants do.

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Nuclear plants typically have the highest capacity factor of any generating source with capacity factors of about 90 percent. Fossil fueled plants have lower capacity factors; coal typically has around a 70 percent capacity factor, natural gas plants of different types can vary from 14 percent to 50 percent capacity factors. Many renewables have low capacity factors. Wind and solar generation typically average around 25 percent capacity factors.


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2. Long-term sustainability of nuclear power is questionable. If the US were to switch over to once-through plants, there would need to be many more Yucca Mountain type sites. According to the MIT study, a new site of that size would have to be created every 3 to 4 years by 2050 if worldwide growth goes as they project. Additionally, uranium is a limited natural resource like oil, gas, or coal and will eventually become scarce if overused.


Uranium is actually a fairly common material in the earth's crust, more so than silver or mercury, for example. We will run out of coal, oil and natural gas before we do uranium. Moreover, by using breeder technology, nuclear energy can be produced indefinitely.

All the nuclear waste created to date that is destined for Yucca Mountain could fit inside a high school gymnasium. After 500 years of storage, the waste would be no more radioactive than the uranium ore that was removed from the ground. I see waste disposal and storage as a nonissue. For that matter, and I'm dead serious about this, nuclear waste could be dumped in deep ocean trenches. Some are miles deep, and nothing that matters to us lives there.

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3. Safety concerns, while often overblown, are still a problem for nuclear plants. The MIT recommendation is to try to have "less than one serious release of radioactivity for 50 years from all fuel cycle activity". Not exactly the most comforting statement. But like anything in engineering, every plant has a probability of serious incident attached to it; the best we can do is try to make the probability as small as possible and hope for the best.


That's right. Reactor designs are safer than used to be, and will become safer still. It is a good bet that mortality and morbidity from carbon emissions or the lack of readily available electricity would be higher than they would from a serious release of radioactivity every fifty years.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thanks to an undocumented feature of internet explorer, I lost my post so I'll summarize quickly.

As you note yourself, the numbers you provide for per kWh costs are pretty meaningless because they are just production costs. They don't include the costs of the plant, research and development costs, etc. The fact is that natural gas and coal are cheaper and there will not be investment in nuclear without some government subsidies. To this end, the 2010 intiative is going to assess "temporary policies to assist in the competitiveness" of nuclear power.

You're right that uranium scarcity is not an issue right now. I just think it is a good idea to plan for things more than 5 years down the road as humans have been failing to do for their entire history. We should have enough easily recoverable uranium to last for 150 years even if the world moves towards nuclear power.

I must say 500 years is the shortest time I've ever seen saying that nuclear waste would be safe. I'm pretty sure it's at least 1000 years, and probably more. In either case, it's a ridiculously long time. By then, we either won't be living on this planet anymore or will have blown ourselves up and not really care about nuclear waste.
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